Apostasy and Killing in Christianity

Apostasy and Killing in Christianity 

by Ibn Anwar

“Islam is evil and oppressive! It commands its followers to execute those who abandon the religion and reject it! The God of Islam must be Satan!” This kind of rhetorics are commonly shouted in Christian Evangelical camps. Prophet of Doom.com in its SHAMELESS article “Mein Kampf” makes the claim,”Islam was the first religion to command its faithful to murder and deceive.”

Oh, Is that a fact? LOOK, what’s this?

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pityKill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple.”  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded.  “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!”  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.”(Ezekiel 9:5-7)

Prophet of Doom…liar liar pants on fire!(I hope you are not too shocked. This is only for “starters”, the “main course” is coming soon)

 Coming back to the subject. Yes, Christians love to make a big fuss over the issue of apostasy in Islam. The religion of Islam is dubbed evil and demonic by them because it apparently teaches its followers to execute those who forsake the religion. In the West today, anyone can believe in virtually anything. If you’re a Christian in America, you can apostatise to Vampirism or even Satanism tomorrow without even the slightest difficulty. Is this kind of “freedom” due to the efforts of Christianity? One needs only to do a little bit of homework to realise that the answer is a definite NO. The idea of total liberty and freedom in religion was established in the Western world due to the rise of Secularism and the idea of SEPERATION of Church from State after the fall of Christian theocracy – ideas that are NOT propagated by the scriptures and original doctrines of either Judaism or Christianity.  These are the innovations of the people of Christianity and NOT the teachings of Christianity itself as will be proven in this article.

  Dr. Warren F. Larson in his article “A Christian response to Islam in America” under the heading “Failure to Understand Islam” states,”Americans also need to understand that where Islam dominates, Muslims are never free to abandon Islam.” . As stated in the previous paragraph the reason why Christians are free to abandon their faith in the West today (and MANY have for different paths) is not because of Christianity but because of the domination of secularism and materialism of the highest order.  Perhaps the good doctor needs to be reminded of what happened in places like Spain with the Muslims and West America with the Natives? The Christians have done away with the laws of God and replaced them with man made laws. The Evangelical website Light of Life admits,”Such thinking(death for apostasy) abounded in Christian churches during the Middle Ages, too. The Inquisition took on violent proportions and carried out the governmental functions of punishment. However, this madness in Church history was in direct opposition to the law and spirit of Christ.” Two questions arise from the quotation : 1. Why did “such thinking” abound in Christian churches? 2. Were their thinking truly against the law and spirit of Christ?

What do Christian Institutions today say about the death penalty?

The Anglican and the Episcopalian churches CONDEMNED the death penalty in 1988 at the “Lambeth Conference”.

The United Methodist Church also CONDEMNS the death penalty.

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America OPPOSES the death penalty as declared in its “social policy statement” in 1991.

The Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints remains neutral on the issue.

The Catholic Church accepts but with certain reservations.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#Christianity

I think the time to serve the “main course” has arrived. Let us see what the Bible has to say shall we? CAUTION : NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!

The Law of Apostasy in theory

“One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. ” (Leviticus 24:10-16)

Suppose someone secretly entices you—even your brother, your son or daughter, your beloved wife, or your closest friend—and says, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known.  They might suggest that you worship the gods of peoples who live nearby or who come from the ends of the earth. But do not give in or listen. Have no pity, and do not spare or protect them. You must put them to death! Strike the first blow yourself, and then all the people must join in. Stone the guilty ones to death because they have tried to draw you away from the Lord your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of slavery.” (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

“When you begin living in the towns the Lord your God is giving you, you may hear that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you,  you must attack that town and completely destroy[b] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. (Deuteronomy 13: 12-16)

 “When you begin living in the towns the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman among you might do evil in the sight of the Lord your God and violate the covenant. For instance, they might serve other gods or worship the sun, the moon, or any of the stars—the forces of heaven—which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then the man or woman who has committed such an evil act must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.” (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)

“Then they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. They agreed that anyone who refused to seek the Lord, the God of Israel, would be put to death—whether young or old, man or woman“(2nd Chronicles 12-13)

General Killing in Practice

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple.”  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded.  “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!”  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.”(Ezekiel 9:5-7)

“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD.  “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.  With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.  With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens.  With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers.  “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD.  “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth!  I am your enemy,” says the LORD.  “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights.  When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble.  You will be desolate forever.  Even your stones will never again be used for building.  You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD.  (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. “(Isaiah 13:15-18)

“This is what the Lord of  hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt.  Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban.  Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’  ” (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

“When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it.  They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. ” (Joshua 6:20-21)

“The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon.  Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon.”  (Judges 20:48)

  And many many more…..

The hapless apologetic will say,” These are old ancient decrepit laws that are no longer viable. They have been abrogated by Jesus. We are now living under grace!”

Firstly, even if they are abrogated, an important clear and vivid point is that these are things which your God commanded and did. Thus, to label the beliefs and actions of Muslims in regards to the issue of apostasy is highly suspect and indeed tremendously hypocritical.

Secondly, I do not believe Jesus according to the Bible actually abrogated the laws and commandments. I say this according to the following :

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)”

“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: ‘The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.‘  (Matthew 23:1-3)”

In addition, your supreme master Paul says :

“For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.  That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.  Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.  They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve TO DIE, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.” (1st Romans 20-32)


Christianity with evidence from the Bible does propagate death for not just apostates but also disbelievers and those who go against God in general. The Christian missionary should really start walking the talk and stop harrassing Muslims and lying about their religion by filling it with innovated lovey-dovey tales.

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15 Responses to “Apostasy and Killing in Christianity”

  1. Godefroi says:

    I hate to drag out this old saw, but you are taking almost every single Bible verse here out of context. The very first one, in Ezekiel, is not a command – it’s a vision of God’s judgment. The first Leviticus passage is orders to Israelites when they were given the land of Canaan on how to deal with the person who tries to lead them away from YHWH. The second two passages also only applied to the Israelites at the time of the taking of Canaan. You must be aware of the command to them to eradicate all the pagans from Canaan. This was about keeping “The Promised Land” pure. It was not a command to kill disbelievers wherever on Earth they may be.

    The Chronicles passage is just that: a chronicle, a record of the fact that the Israelites agreed to the above mentioned rules. It’s not another command.

    The Jeremiah passage is a prophecy about Babylon. Again, not a command.

    The Isaiah passage is another prophecy about Babylon.

    1 Samuel: God’s judgment against the Amalekites only.

    Joshua: refers to the city of Jericho only

    Judges: refers to the punishment of the Benjaminites (JEWS!) at the hands of the rest of Israel.

    So, none of your examples refers to disbelief or disbelievers in general, and the only ones that deal with apostasy (or leading the Israelites to it) apply only to Canaan.

    As far as Paul’s assertion that evildoers are deserving of death…do you disagree? Can you find a passage in the NT that commands that they be put to death?

    Nothing you’ve presented here compares with “Whoever [this would be anyone, anywhere, at any time] changed his (Islamic) religion, then kill him.”

    Your conclusion just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

  2. Ibn Anwar says:

    To read my response to the above proceed to http://unveilingchristianity.w.....-godferoi/

  3. hanmeng says:

    Very well, but how about apostasy among Muslims? Sam Harris, no friend of Christianity, writes,

    ‘It is a mainstream belief among Muslims that apostasy (the repudiation of Islam by a Muslim) should be punished by death (granted, this rule is only made explicit in the hadith). It is also a mainstream belief that infidels should (if possible) be politically subjugated and forced to pay a poll tax. Yes, Muslims are counseled not to be aggressors, and thus to fight only defensive wars. But “defensive” is in the eye of the beholder. We can be sure that Osama bin Laden can tell a story about why his actions have been purely in “defense” of the faith.

    ‘Those readers who think I have offered a caricature of Islam must explain why an uncountable number of imams supported the fatwa against Salman Rushie, while not a single one (to the best of my knowledge) has pronounced a fatwa on Osama bin Laden.’


  4. Ibn Anwar says:

    As to the question what about apostasy in Islam? You may refer again to the article. If you have actually read the article thoroughly, you will notice that it was meant for those Christian audience who take issue with Muslims who propagate death for apostasy. The article is not meant as an attack on the concept of capital punishment on deserters of religion. In regards to Sam Harris..well from what I’ve read here..I can see he has not actually studied Islam, at least not thoroughly enough. Yes, I agree it is mainstream belief in Islam to afford capital punishment on those who commit apostasy, howeve, a responsible writer should also go further to explain that such a law may only apply in a “Shari’ah governed state”. Vigilantism is eschewed in Islam. In regards to non-Muslims having to pay a special tax in a Shari’ah governed state…well such individuals are known as kafir dhimmi(protected disbelievers). From my understanding, the tax shouldn’t be a point of conflict or argument..simply because Muslims are demanded to pay considerably more. For example, after paying the special tax or Jizya in arabic, the non-Muslims will be protected at all costs by the State. his means, Muslims will give their life for the protection and safety of these protected citizens and they in turn are only asked to pay a small amount of cash..that’s it. Is that so oppressive and evil?..I wonder, what would happen to Sam Harris if he refused to pay his tax in the States? Will he be granted some special award? you must be joking. In regards to pronouncements of fatawa against Salman Rushdie and none against Osama…well actually..if this person who considers himself highly intelligent had done just a little research, he would have found out that plentiful of prominent scholars of Islam have condemned acts of terrorism done by anyone including Osama(if he did any). One example would be the Islamic scholar based in Oxford, Sheikh Muhammad Afifi Al-Akiti who wrote an entire fatwa on the issue of defending the transgressed against aggression by terrorist entities. Thank you for you comments.

    Ibn Anwar
    P.S. “Defensive” is in the eyes of its beholder isn’t a good argument, simply because almost anything can be said to be in the eyes of its beholder. This statement of his is too subjective to be considered a valid argument.

  5. Alfesaani says:

    Just thought of adding to this, Martin Luther, the guy who rebelled against catholic church and formed the protestant sect, advocated that the anabaptists (another sect of christianity) and others who didn’t follow his sect, to be hunted down like “mad dogs”. Luther denouncing them (anabaptists), said:

    “There are heretics who hold that one should tolerate no authority… that one should own no possessions.. leave house and home or should hold and keep all things common. Such are not only but rebels, and therefore without doubt should be punnished”

    LOL i wonder what Luther would have said about people of other religion, when clearly he had no tolerance for christians belonging to another sect, and we all know Luther got his ideas from the bible.

    p.s – i got the exact quote from my university book on rennaisance and reformation.

  6. Alfesaani says:

    Here’s more;

    “The Anabaptists were hated by everybody. Zwingli hated them. So did Martin Luther and John Calvin. They agreed even with the Catholics in their hatred for the Anabaptists. Luther, Calvin and Zwingli all either consented to, or encouraged the death and martyrdom of Anabaptists.”

    Taken from- http://www.jesus-is-savior.com.....chap_4.htm

  7. Polycarp says:


    The problem with pointing to Christians who may have commanded the death of those who were not believers or those who may not believed in their view of Christianity, is that it isn’t in accordance with Christian scriptures. It would be like me pointing to Osama Bin Ladin…claiming Muslims are like him. Instead, look at the scriptures themselves, as the author of this entry did.

  8. Polycarp says:

    I gave you props my dear friend, “Instead, look at the scriptures themselves, as the author of this entry did.”

    However, to respond to these verses, a more detailed approach to looking at these verses would need to be had. Which I do not have the time at this moment to get into, perhaps in about three or four weeks I’ll have more time to give a more detailed answer to these verses. But to state and make my point clear, I do accept that some of these verses literally happened in Hebrew history, some are prophetic and thus might not of happened, and some are mere recordings of historical events as they happened whether God deemed it ok or deemed it wrong. But like I said, I don’t have the time at the present moment to deal with the many acts of violence in the Old Testament.

  9. Polycarp says:


    To clarify, I’m not admitting to that a false prophecy occured when I said some are prophetic and might not of happened..Rather what I mean by that is God saying to Israel or others if you don’t follow my ways this will happened, and perhaps at that moment they followed God for the time being, and thus it did not occur. Prime example would be God telling Jonah to preach to Ninevah their destruction because of their sinfulness, but instead the Ninevites repented and believed in God, thus they were spared.

  10. jpq says:

    What you fail to realize is that secularism is a resul pf the prodestant reformation. It is what the constant questioning resulted in.Watch tje documentry Prodestant Revolutipn

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      Secularism is the result of the constant stifling of ideas and beliefs by the Catholic church. The people got fed up with church authority deciding the fate of everybody in every sphere of life.

  11. jpq says:

    Also can ypu please show me where jesus commanded death for apostasy?

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      Yes, if you’re a Trinitarian then all of those commands that you see in the article were given and commanded by Jesus.

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