Where did Jesus claim,”Worship me or I am God” ?

What is the basis for the Muslim apologist in asking “Where did Jesus call for his worship and claim divinity”?

by Ibn Anwar

 

For those who have watched and followed Ahmed Deedat’s(may Allah have mercy on him) debates and lectures and others who have followed suit such as Sami Zaatari are very well familiar with the often asked question,”Where did Jesus claim,”Wroship me or I am God?” “. For those of you who aren’t familiar with this line of questioning, insha’Allah, you will be exposed to it in this article. Muslim apologists since Ahmed Deedat have always demanded proof from the Christians for their claims, especially in regards to the divinity of Jesus. The most common and straight forward method is to ask directly, where did Jesus clearly and explicitly claim to be God or asked people to worship him if he is indeed God. The reason for this kind of query is really quite simple. Muslims have been taught from childhood in our scriptures i.e. the Qur’an and Sunnah, that God does not shy from declaring His soverignty and divinity. The idea is that if someone or something is God then the first thing that ought to come to mind for a reasonable individual is did the being claim to be God or was this something that people attached to him/it? This is actually a very important question. Let’s take a down-to-earth example for a clearer picture about this. Let’s say we have George and the people of Britain. George is connected through blood to the British royal family. One fine day the entire royal household died and others disappeared leaving only George unscathed. The British monarchy is in tatters and will probably end if George does not take his place aas rightful heir to the throne. The parliament begins an emergency session and calls George to save the day and be crowned King. Can they force him to do it or does he have to claim it? The answer is of course, he has to accept and claim the throne as his own. Let’s consider a similar scenario but with a little tweak. British royal family destroyed, killed, decimated, disappeared etc. leaving no clear successor in sight. George is there but there is no definite or clear sign of blood ties to royalty from him. Some vague proof is salvaged and ambiguously links him to the British royal family. Parliament wants him to be king, since there is no one else but he does not make any claim to royalty and dies without making any such claim. Can someone later legitimately label him as King of England? The answer should be no. So as we can see, it is indeed very important for someone or a being to make a clear cut claim when it comes to matters of sovereignty. Did Jesus make such a claim? That is indeed the question. Whether he did or not is not something which we will explore in detail in this article. The purpose of this article is to establish some grounds for the Muslim approach as regards to the title.

What is even more interesting is that the Muslim’s approach is very Biblical in nature. Some Christians would like to lump everything on faith i.e. it’s all faith, no need for proof. The Bible actually teaches otherwise. We read in one of Paul’s letters:

prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessolonians 5:21)

Thus, the Christian is obliged to offer evidence and proof for his beliefs. It is not just total blind faith.

In the Old Testament, one may be able to notice a very vivid, explicit and direct insignia of Almighty God. What is this insignia? There are ample passages and verses throughout the Bible that speak of this insignia namely, the oneness of God and His being. The scriptures do not shy from declaring God as sovereign Lord and that there are none beside Him worthy of similar recognition and worship. When we discuss the issue of Jesus’ alleged divinity the trinity question is always a given. One cannot escape from touching the trinity whenever Jesus gets into the picture. For the whole theology of both Catholic and Protestant world rests on this idea of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Without it, Jesus cannot be God. The concept of the trinity was finally established as mainstream doctrine during the third century CE and according to the Catholic Encyclopedia it was a 300 year long process and development. God is developed by the Church Fathers. And that is the truth of the matter. This concept is arrived by combining numerous scriptures scattered throughout scripture from the first book, Genesis to Revelations, which is the last book in the Bible(s). It is further rooted in the philosophical and intellectual arguments of men with such notions as the “hypostatic union” for so called rational foundation. In a nutshell, the concept of God in Christianity developed and progressed through the endeavours of the hands and minds of men in several hundreds of years. When analysed thoroughly this methodology which has virtually shaped the Christian theology is actually non-scriptual.

What one can be 100% certain of is that throughout scripture whenever it comes to the issue of theology God will always reveal it Himself without leaving any kind of ambiguity so much so as to require the endeavours and efforts of men to search pertinent verses from dozens of different books each separated by hundreds of years and geographies only to be compiled together into one volume in the span of several thousand years. When it comes to who God is i.e. theology(monotheism, polytheism, pantheism etc.) it is always made clear in either a single verse or a few verses. This is seen CLEARLY throughout scripture:

“there is no one like the Lord, our God.” Exodus 8:10

“Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35

“Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39

“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4

“Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.” Isaiah 45:14

“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20

“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
“You alone [bad] are the Lord.” Nehemiah 9:6
“For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31

“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22

“For who is God, besides the Lord? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32

“The Lord is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60

“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15

And God would always declare and identify who He is in the most explicit manner when he makes Himself known,

“When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty ; walk before me and be blameless.” Genesis 17:1

“That night the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am the God of your father Abraham. Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bless you and will increase the number of your descendants for the sake of my servant Abraham.”” Genesis 26:24

I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me. Now leave this land at once and go back to your native land.’ ” Genesis 31:13

“And God said to him, “I am God Almighty ; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body.” Genesis 35:11

I am God, the God of your father,” he said. “Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there.” Genesis 46:3

“Then he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.” Exodus 3:6

“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10

“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6

“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8

“I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5

“I am the Lord, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18

As we can see, God was never shy nor hesitant nor ambiguous when it comes to His person. Theology was never a piece of puzzle whereby God will have people search for verses here and there, piece them together and create a concept about Him. This was never His nature. Not once. So, the insignia of God in the Old Testament is His declaration of His oneness and revelation of true theology without ambiguity or confusion. We read in Malachi:

“I the Lord DO NOT CHANGE…” (Malachi 3:6)

It has been established that God’s nature when it comes to the concept of theology was always to make things simple and clear so that everyone do not have to struggle for understanding. It was always in clear unambiguous language detailed in one or a few verses immediate to one another. Malachi 3:6 declares that God doesn’t change. Thus, the nature of God concerning matters of theology, His insignia should persist into the New Testament and forever. Unfortunately, the Christian theology disagrees. Christians concur there is no clear cut statement uttered by Jesus comparable to those produced above uttered by God in the Old Testament about His being. This is no new God we’re dealing with. According to Christians, it is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. The question is, if indeed it is the same God, why does he not retain his insignia? As explained earlier, the trinity is a concept developed in a period of several ages/centuries by men through rigorous examination of thought and scripture i.e. pasting one verse all the way from Genesis with a verse all the way in John. This is far from the nature of God as we have seen. In fact, despite all the corruption which have crept into the Christian scriptures we can still ascertain the true theological concept consistent with the Old Testament which has persisted into the New Testament which is in contradiction to Christian theology namely:

“he foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; ” (Mark 12:29)

“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God” (John 17:3)

Indeed, John 17:3 was the shahadah of Jesus’ time as Ash Hadu An La Ila Ha IllAllah, Ash Hadu Anna Muhammad Rasulullah is the shahadah or testimony of faith of our time.

Thus, following and retaining His NOBLE INSIGNIA WE read in the Qur’an:

“Say you, He is Allah, the one.Allah the Independent, without need. He begot none’ nor was He begotten.And NONE is equal to Him.” (Surah Al-Ikhlas, 112)

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In summation, the Christian theology is man mandated whilst Islam’s is ordained by the one and only true Creator.

Allahu’akbar! Islam is the destination of truth and light! Praise be to Allah, creator of the worlds.

*Thanks are due to brother Sami Zaatari for giving me the idea for the argument proposed in this article in the debate he had with Sam Shamoun on Jesus’ divinity.

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15 Responses to “Where did Jesus claim,”Worship me or I am God” ?”

  1. Ali says:

    Sallam,
    I have to give it you brother Ibn Anwar, this article of your is a excellent one.
    I love the early analogy regarding George (British man) and that of Jesus.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but one MAJOR problem of the Christian theology is that all or most of their main concepts take years of studying to understand!
    We as Muslims must study the Quran and Sunnah for years, but our MAJOR concepts are quite simple and easy to learn and understand and most importantly explain.
    In fact there are men who devout years of their lives to be able to explain the so called biblical ‘’proofs’’ of Jesus’ divinity and the most complicated theory in the history of the world the infamous trinity, which as you brother have stated this so called trinity was a concept MADE UP in 300 C.E..

    I thank you brother for this excellent post. With that said I leave with this verse

    004:171] Oh People of the book! Do not (overstate and) exaggerate your religious beliefs; do not say anything except the truth about Allah. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary was in fact (nothing more than) the messenger of Allah and His word which He cast upon Mary. (Jesus was) a soul created by Him. So, believe in Allah and His messenger. Do not say (that Allah is) three! Desist! It is better for you (if you desist). Verily, Allah is (only) One. He is (too glorified and) too exalted to have a son. Everything in the heavens and on earth belongs to Him. Allah suffices as a Disposer of all matters and things! (He needs no mediator).

    Walikum Salam Wr Wb

  2. Tridax says:

    Superb well written article. Welcome back …

  3. George says:

    On this question of where did Jesus ever claim worship Me or I am God:

    I believe you are missing the point because Jesus did not come to earth to mention He is God or that men should worship Him. Jesus came to earth to die for the sins of a fallen humanity. If He would have called down fire from heaven and did all kinds of great miracles and signs, they would probably have made Him a king and not crucified Him. Over and over the Bible indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh.

    When the man was let down through the roof of the house Jesus told the man his sins were forgiven and the crowd said Jesus blasphemed, because no one could forgive sin except God. Jesus then, to show them He had the power to forgive sins, told the man to take up his bed and walk.

    He told the woman at the well in John 4th chapter that He is the Messiah. He told His disciples the if they believe in God also to believe in Him. No man has ever did the miracles and healings of this man and said the things He said like: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through Me.” or “I and My Father are One.” “If you do not believe I am He, you shall die in your sins.”

    To make commments like that you have to view jesus as either a liar or He is the truth. I tend to take the latter view. You can take your chances and say He isn’t so. That is you exercising your free will. I have tested Him and found He is who He says He is.

  4. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    Ah, yes..the common Trinitarian apologetic script. Jesus didn’t say he’s God because that was not the purpose of his coming to earth. Yet, at the same token you guys claimed he explicitly claimed Godhood by saying things like “Before Abraham was, I am” and of course the other common verses which you have produced. You’re not being consistent. In fact, you’re contradicting yourself. Did he or did he not claim divinity? If he could have said “Before Abraham was, I am” which according to Trinitarians truly prove him claiming Godhood(and incurred the wrath of the Jews who wanted to stone him for blasphemy), then what was the problem in saying “I am God” in corrollary with the nature of God as clearly seen throughout the Old Testament which I established in the article? You fail to countenance the fact that Malachi 3:6 says God does not change. Unless Jesus changed which would contradict that verse, Jesus being the same God as that of the Old Testament according to Trinitarian theology, he should have retained the insignia of God and clearly make declarations of divinity like “I am God or worship me”.

    Regarding forgiving sin, perhaps you forget such passages where the disciples were given the privilege to forgive the sins of people which the Catholics love to use to establish their doctrine of confession and how priests may forgive the sins of the flock. By the principle in which you have used to make Jesus God i.e. he could forgive sin, then the disciples too should be considered God. You need to be consistent, George : p.
    At any rate, the passages concerning Jesus allegedly forgiving the sins of people do not show him saying, I FORGIVE YOUR SINS, do they? The passages show Jesus saying things like, “YOU ARE FORGIVEN”. It is quite plausible he was merely conveying messages from God i.e. God forgave such people and he informs them of their remittance of sin. And if Jesus had truly exclusive power to forgive sin, why at the cross did he say,”Oh Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?” Clearly, Jesus does not really have that power to forgive sin when you consider all these facts. Remember the Lord’s prayer which Jesus taught the believers? Have you conveniently forgotten the part where we read, “Forgive me of my tresspasses AS I FORGIVE those who tresspass me”.

    Of course, he was the Messiah. But, being the Messiah does not entail Godhood. lol. Of course he asked people to believe in him, if they believed in God. He was God’s messenger like Moses. How can you believe and follow God if you deny his mouthpiece and instrument on earth? To obey God is to obey His chosen diplomats and vice versa. It’s quite simple.

    In regards to John 10:30, “I and the Father are One” and the other verses you’ve produced which are suppose to establish his divinity which again contradict your initial statement that Jesus did not come to say he’s God or worship him, so he didn’t have to make such claims. You are showing us that he did indeed make such claims. At least, claims which you construe to mean Godhood. So, again, we come back to the question, where did he say “I am God or worship me” in clear, simple, explicit terms like we find in the OT? The verses you’ve produced are dealt with here :
    http://unveilingchristianity.w.....jesus-god/

    No, Jesus was no liar. He was what he claimed to me i.e. a messenger sent by God. John 17:3 says without any ambiguity that the Father is “monos aleithenos theos” which means “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” which would subtract anyone, including Jesus from the equation. He was a prophet of God:
    Luke 24:19 “And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:”

    In summation, you have failed to prove your case and Jesus is clearly not the same God as the God of the OT.

  5. Rev Sam says:

    (Zechariah 3:4) And he [the angel] raised his voice and said to those standing before him, saying, “Take the filthy garments off him.” And he said to him, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I have clad you with clean garments.”—-

    Do we have another member of the trinity? The father son holy ghost and some angel guy? No doubt Jesus was unique but many of his miracles were no unique because the source of his power and authority was from God whom was the source of the OT miracles too. Do not mistake Jesus’ unique attributes because of his messiahship for God’s attributes.

  6. Ali says:

    Sallam,
    wow what a loser. This is the main problem with chirstians today. If scripture doesnt support there cause they throw it out, if scripture agrees with them they hug it, and sleep with it, and rip it out of the bible and stick it on bill boards. So I hope george can be consistent here. He contradicts himself within a matter of sentences..
    george: Jesus didnt come to say he was god, which is why….blah blah blah
    2 sentences later
    george: jesus is god, becuase he says he and the father are one

    Readers of this blog: Wait, what?

  7. George says:

    Hi again, I see I may not have clarified myself when I wrote in an answer to your posting regarding where did Jesus say, “Worship Me or I am God.” I can see where this can be confusing to a non-Christian.

    I assumed you realized that Jesus did reveal Himself to His disciples according to the Scriptures I gave to you in my first answer on this matter – like when Jesus said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father, but by Me.” and “I and My Father are one,” These Scriptures He was talking to His disciples only.

    He did not reveal Himself to those who wanted to kill Him because of the reasons I stated. (If He would have called down fire from heaven or did great signs and wonders, they would have made Him a King. To do so would have defeated the very reason He came to earth and that was to redeem fallen humanity from its sin.)

    However, some of the things He did and said, they did not believe Him anyway, because it went against their teachings. (Much like it is today when men reject Him.)

    Of a truth Jesus revealed Himself to His Apostles so they could go on preaching the Gospel to the lost and so the followers who came later would also understand. One notable verse regarding where He revealed Himself to His disciple is where Jesus asked His disciples in Matthew 16:13-20, “Who do men say that I am? And they said John the Baptist, some Elijah; Jerimiah or one of the prophets.” And Jesus asked them who they say that He is? Peter answered and said; “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered that flesh and blood had not revealed that to him (Peter), but the Father which is in heaven. Verse 20 “Jesus charged them that they should not tell any man that He was Jesus the Christ.”

    So yes, they (Jesus’ disciples) knew who Jesus is, but Jesus kept it from those who desired to put Him to death. I am sorry that I did not clarify myself in the first statement I sent.

  8. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    I thank you for your continued participation, George. You said in your comment, “…, “Worship Me or I am God.” I can see where this can be confusing to a non-Christian.” I think if we look at your comments and my article, the one who’s confused is you. You have yet to prove your case and my article stands strong and uncorrected. Indeed, you are the one who is awfully confused as we shall see.

    You made the following claims which exposes you as either an ignorant or a liar:
    “I assumed you realized that Jesus did reveal Himself to His disciples according to the Scriptures I gave to you in my first answer on this matter – like when Jesus said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father, but by Me.” and “I and My Father are one,” These Scriptures He was talking to His disciples only.”

    You claimed that Jesus did not reveal himself to the public, but only the disciples. To prove your claim you brought the verse “I and the Father are one” from John 10:30. According to you, Jesus said this ONLY to his disciples. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, George, but this was not said to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus uttered those words in the midst of JEWS in public. The context begins in verse 24:
    “The Jews gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ,tell us plainly.” ”

    Then, after Jesus made the statement, “I and the Father are One” we see the following reaction from the JEWS:
    “Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” ”

    In regards to your claim that he didn’t reveal himself to the people. That’s also another false charge. We see that Jesus said when asked about who he is, Jesus said in verse 25:
    “Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me,”

    In addition to that we are informed that Jesus never spoke anything in secret as you claimed:
    “Jesus answered him, “I have spoken publicly to the world. I have always taught in the synagogue or in the temple, where all Jews meet together, and I have said nothing in secret.” (John 18:20)

    Clearly, you have brought forth untruths concerning Jesus, George. Are you not ashamed of yourself? At the end of your comment you said,
    “I am sorry that I did not clarify myself in the first statement I sent.”

    You have not clarified anything, except that you don’t know much about the Bible. What you need to be sorry about is your intellectual dishonesty. If you want to debate me, George…you need to first get the facts straight. I’m sorry to inform you, but you have been soundly refuted. May Allah guide you to the right path. Ameen

  9. George says:

    Yes, you are right, Jesus did tell them He is God? They didn’t believe Him did they? They tried to stone Him for making Himself God. He plainly told them in John 10:36: “say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” Yes, He did plainly tell them He is the Son of God; you are right.

    Isn’t that just like those religious people of today that do not believe the words of Jesus either. They would not believe Jesus is God if He told them to their face. They cannot believe that God could make a human being from His very own Word – and make His very own Word a Seed from which He thereby placed that Seed into the womb of a virgin – and thereby made that Seed, which is His very own Word into His only begotten Son.

    We tend to limit God in His ability to do things. We think Jesus had to be from the dust of the ground like everyone else. However, Jesus even said He came from heaven (not the earth as mortal man does). John 6:38: “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” And, because He could not go to the dust of the ground, because He was not made of the dust of the ground, He had to go back to where He came from, which is heaven. (Mortal man has to go back to the dust of the ground from which he came.)

    I am sure that you do not believe Jesus was made from the Word of God, but was made from the dust of the ground.

    I am sure you also do not believe that “Jesus and the Father are One”, or that “Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life”.

    And I am sure you do not believe John 14:26 which states: “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost…” is really the Holy Ghost as Jesus stated, but was a man who was to come some time in the future.

    All these things are contrary to what you have been taught all your life and contrary to your holy book. I do not expect you to believe these things from the Bible that we Christians believe. You can dispute these thing and say they do not say what they say. That is okay. I do not have to defend God’s Word. It says what it says and does not change. Jesus said: heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words will never pass away.

    I happen to believe that what Jesus said is true. No man ever made the claims He did and backed up those claims with miracles, and healings as He did. If what He said was not true then He deceived billions living today and millions who went on before. However, as Pilate said before the crowd that wanted to crucify Jesus: “I have found no fault in this man”. The bottom line is that Jesus also stated: “If you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins.” I do not recall any man ever making a statement like that before. Have a good day and God bless.

    • ekspresidiri says:

      Of course, we believe in Jesus for what he was and we do not believe in what he was not. We (Muslims) believe Jesus was a Messiah; “Spirit from God;” “Word of God;” the righteous Prophet as well as Messenger of God and the son of Virgin Mary. But, we do not believe Jesus was “the begotten son of God.” The truth of the matter is apostle John never ever wrote; Jesus was “the begotten” son of God.

      Please obtain a copy of the “Gideon Bible” from a Hotel or Motel near you. It is distributed free since 1899, all over the world, by The Gideon Society. In the beginning of this famous Bible, John 3:16 is translated in 26 popular world languages. You may be amazed to discover that in the English translation, the editors have used the traditionally accepted term “His only begotten son.” Whereas, in several other languages the editors have used the term “His unique son” or “His one of a kind son.”

      John 3:16 and John 1:18 each have the word ‘monogenes’ in Greek. This word ordinarily means “of a single kind.” As a result, “unique” is a good translation. The reason you sometimes find a translation that renders the word as “only begotten” has to do with an ancient heresy within the church. In response to the Arian claim that Jesus was made but not begotten, Jeremy (4th century) translated the Greek term ‘monogenes’ into Latin as ‘unigenitus’ (“only begotten”). Paul B. Duff, 22 April, 1992.

      Professor Duff’s response was based upon “Anchor Bible,” volume 29, page 13-14. The Greek term for “begotten” is “gennao” as found in Mt.1:2, which John did not use.

  10. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,
    George, I’d just like to say at the very beginning that I truly feel sorry for you. You have clearly shown to us how ill equipped you are with regards to the Bible. You first made the claim that Jesus never revealed himself in public and quoted several verses including John 10:30 as evidence. I exposed how false this was and that John 10:30 was actually spoken in public and not in private as you claimed. Instead of admitting that you did commit errors in your previous comment you now make yet another false claim in the above comment:

    “Yes, you are right, Jesus did tell them He is God? They didn’t believe Him did they? ”

    No, I never said Jesus told them he is god…read again, George. We we discussing whether Jesus REVEALED himself in public or not. I never once claimed that Jesus alleged divinity. I understand how you need to resort to lying in order to give some sense of comfort to yourself. You are not convincing anyone. You are merely fooling yourself.

    You then said,”Yes, He did plainly tell them He is the Son of God; you are right.”

    Yes, he is considered to be son of God. However, others are also called the same throughout the Bible.

    “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.” (Psalm 82:6)

    The fact is to be called son of God does not mean that you are God as many Christians falsely think. Son of God refers to someone who is close to God or one who has a high rank in God’s sight. It also refers to one who is God’s servant. Thus, in Acts 3:26 we read that Jesus is called God’s “son” (paias in Greek)
    “Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities”
    That’s from the King James Version. Now, compare that one with the one from the NEW King James Version:
    “To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.”(Acts 3:26, NKJV)
    As you can see the word son is no longer there. The reason is because the translators understand that paias which means son also means servant. Thus, Jesus is the son of God in the sense that he is the SERVANT of God. And we read again in Acts 4:27:
    “For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed….”

    You said,”Isn’t that just like those religious people of today that do not believe the words of Jesus either. They would not believe Jesus is God if He told them to their face”

    I’m sorry to burst your bubble, George, but, Jesus NEVER claimed to be God or said any such thing to anyone’s face.

    You then quoted John 6:38 saying Jesus literally came down from heaven, implying that he’s God. First of all, even if Jesus actually came down from heaven that does not automatically make him God. Where are angels from? They’re from heaven right? Are they God? No. Secondly, where did Adam and Eve come from? Did they not come from heaven? Yes, they did. Once again, you have clearly misunderstood Jesus’ words and falsely interpreted it.

    You then made a rather silly comment,” I am sure that you do not believe Jesus was made from the Word of God, but was made from the dust of the ground.”

    No, I do not think that Jesus himself was made from the dust of the ground. He was made in his mother’s womb, Mary. This was done by god’s leave. I do not hesitate to say he was made from God’s word i.e. LOGOS which means command and intellect besides word. So, Jesus was indeed made from the WORD I.E. COMMAND of God ; ).

    You said,”I am sure you also do not believe that “Jesus and the Father are One”, or that “Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life”.

    I have no problem in taking those verses provided they are understood within their contexts. I told you to go here for further clarification on the verses which you totally ignored:
    http://unveilingchristianity.w.....jesus-god/
    All the verses which you brought forth to make Jesus God are answered there.

    You said,”And I am sure you do not believe John 14:26 which states: “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost…” is really the Holy Ghost as Jesus stated, but was a man who was to come some time in the future.”

    No, I do not believe the Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit in light of the condition which Jesus attached to the coming of the comforter i.e. that,”it is EXPEDIENT for me to go for if i do not go the Spirit of Truth shall not come”. If we read the Gospels we will be able to realise that the Holy Spirit was always there before, present and after. So it makes no sense to say the Holy Spirit is the one Jesus said he had to go first before he can come when the Holy Spirit was already there.

    You further made a fool of yourself by saying the following:
    “All these things are contrary to what you have been taught all your life and contrary to your holy book. I do not expect you to believe these things from the Bible that we Christians believe. You can dispute these thing and say they do not say what they say. That is okay. I do not have to defend God’s Word. It says what it says and does not change. Jesus said: heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words will never pass away.”

    Have I discussed my Qur’an anywhere in the article or in the comment thread here? I don’t think so. I’ve only sticked to YOUR books. And apparently, you’ve been exposed as someone who knows very little about your own scriptures, explicitly proved by the fact that you thought John 10:30 was spoken in private which I then corrected you. And notice how you have thus far FAILED to satisfy the challenge posited by the article i.e. prove Jesus’ divinity from his own words in explicit form. You have also FAILEd to even acknowledge John 17:3 which clearly debunk your allegation concerning Jesus. I thank you for your continued participation and proving to one and all that Christianity is bankrupt.

  11. Halim Naeem says:

    Salaam Ibn Anwar,

    Some friendly, naseeha, and you don’t need to post it, as the prophet said some of the best naseeha is in private. You have a great amount of knowledge in comparison to the majority of Christians. And you are very sophisticated in winning Arguements. Our Prophet (saw) did debate. But what spread Islam throughout the world and what made your ancestors Muslim was that the Prophet (peace be on him) when dealing with people… he won people’s hearts 🙂 The prophet had the truth and Hamdulillah, you have the truth, and those who know the truth know that our beloved Jesus would not have mankind believe that he (a creation of God) is God in the flesh. So the question is, how do you get people to understand without ridiculing them and with proper adab 🙂 Again, everything you say is the truth within this arguement, but sometimes the way we as Muslims assert our information, it send people further and further down a path of misguidance, because they are put on the defensive and made to feel bad about themselves. I’m not saying be apologetic, weak, and just, you know. But as my brother, with a great amount of knowledge that can be used to bring truth to much of humanity (literally billions of people) I ask you kindly, to win the hearts of your readers and be gentle like the prophet was.

    People reason with their mind, and believe with their hearts. If you win an intellectual arguement, people won’t veer to the straight path, but if you use your intellectual power to win the heart of the person, thats when people like George will become open to what you say. Sorry this took so long, but I see a lot of potential in you, and I ask Allah to put the sweetness and gentleness along with the knowledge and wisdom in your heart to draw the massess to you like a whirlpool 🙂 If what I said has offended you or was wrong, please forgive me and disregard it. If any of this was true, make dua for me to give me the knowledge and wisdom you have. Ameen.

  12. Marc Taylor says:

    The Lord Jesus claimed to be God by accepting prayer/worship in Acts 1:24, 25, 1 Corinthians 1:2 and 1 Peter 3:12.

    • Ibn Anwar says:

      Acts 1:24 does not identify the “kyrios” as Jesus. That is your own assertion which is not specifically proven in the text itself. Neither does 1 Peter 3:12 states that the “kyrios” is Jesus. That too is your own assertion. 1 Corinthians 1:2 speaks of calling on the name of Jesus. That in no way deifies Jesus as Muslims too call on the name of Muhammad s.a.w. even in times of difficulty e.g. Umar r.a. said “Ya Muhammad” (Oh Muhammad) when he was asked to remember the person he most loved whilst he was suffering numbness in his foot. Immediately after that the numbness disappeared. There are two narrations on this that are cited in Imam Bukhari’s al-adab al-mufrad.

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