Did Jesus die according to Islam?

A “Qadiyani” Pastor

by Ibn Anwar

   On Wednesday, 16 Jan 2008 10:32:41 -0800 (PST) I received an e-mail from someone by the name “Israeli Christian Evangelist”. The person asked if I would like to comment on an article he forwarded to me. The following is the e-mail I received :


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The link to the article is http://www.purechurch.blogspot.com/2006/08/when-witnessing-to-muslims-get-to_17.html . The article is titled “When Witnessing to Muslims…Get to Jesus(2)”  which was authored by the blog owner, Pastor Thabiti Anyabwile. As requested by Israeli Christian Evangelist, in this article I will attempt to comment and respond to what the Pastor has written.

 

Pastor Claims the Qu’an confirms the Christian belief that jesus died

Pastor Thabiti writes :

In our last post, we spent some time thinking about the Person of Jesus and its centrality in witnessing to Muslims. We reviewed some of the Qu’ranic teaching about Jesus’ birth, the Holy Spirit in His mission and ministry, and his sinless perfection. And we concluded basically that the Qu’ran concedes too much without also concluding as the Bible does that Jesus is indeed the Son of God and God the Son.

Today, we’re looking at another aspect of the Qu’ranic teaching about Jesus and its importance in proclaiming the Gospel to Muslims: Jesus’ death.

Nearly every Muslim I’ve had the privilege of sharing the gospel with denies that Jesus was crucified. Often, the denial is accompanied with the explanation that such a death is not worthy of one of Allah’s messengers/prophets. And from time to time, some will claim that it wasn’t actually Jesus that died but someone (perhaps Judas) that was made to look like Jesus at the crucifixion. And still others, like Muslim apologist Ahmed Deedat, maintain that Jesus was put on the cross but did not actually die on the cross but came down and continued to live. The traditional Islamic understanding is that Jesus was “raised up” to Allah and will return at the judgment to condemn those who taught false things about him and worshipped him.

Several passages in the Qu’ran speak to Jesus’ death. Most of them deny his death. But a couple are useful for our purposes here.

In Sura 19:33, while still in the cradle Jesus is depicted as saying of himself, “Blessed am I in the day of my birth, my day of death and my day of resurrection to life.”

Sura 5 relays an instance where Allah is supposed to have asked Jesus what he taught during his earthly mission. It reads:

Allah said, “Jesus, son of Mary, did you every say to people, ‘Adopt me and my mother as two gods in disregard of God Himself?'” To which he replied, “Glory be to you. It is not in me to say what I have no warrant for. If I had ever said such a thing You would have known it. For You know my innermost being and I do not know Yours. I said to them only what you commanded me to say, namely, ‘Worshp and serve God, my Lord and your Lord.’ As long as I was among them I bore witness to them and when you took me to Yourself it was You who were watcher over them. For you are a witness to all things” (5:116-117).

The phrase “you took me to Yourself” is the Arabic word tawaffa, which literally means to receive back, to take back, or to collect as in a debt. It is the most common verb in Arabic to express the idea or action of causing someone’s death and is used throughout the Qu’ran of Allah (for example, 2:258; 3:156). It’s a euphemism of sorts, not too unlike someone saying that a person “passed away” or “went home.”

Another text is Sura 3:54-55:

And [the Jews] plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God. Then Allah said: “Jesus, I am causing you to die and I will exalt you to Myself, vindicating you from the unbelievers over whom your followers will have the victory at My hands and then, at the resurrection, is the homecomong of you all. I will be the arbiter of all your disputes.”

The last text we want to consider is Sura 4:157-159:

They claim, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Apostle of God.” But they killed him not, nor did they crucify him. They were under the illusion that they had. Those who differ about this matter are full of doubts. They have no real knowledge but follow only conjecture. Assuredly, they did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him to himself, and God is all powerful, all-wise. And there are none of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them.

My Response :

The first verse he cites is Surah Maryam(Chapter 19) verse 33,

وَٱلسَّلاَمُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدْتُّ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيّاً

“And peace, from God, be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!”

Notice that “Yauma Amutu” means the day I DIE and NOT the day I died. Any novice of the Arabic language will be able to affirm that it is NOT in the past tense which means that it is no proof for the pastor.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir writes :

“And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!) This is his affirmation that `he is a worshipper of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, and that he is a creature created by Allah. He (`Isa) will live, die and be resurrected, just like the other creatures that Allah has created. However, he will have peace in these situations, which are the most difficult situations for Allah’s creatures.’ May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him.’”

The second verse he cites is Surah Al-Ma’idah(Chapter5), verses 116-117 :

 وَإِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يٰعِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلتَ لِلنَّاسِ ٱتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِيۤ أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ ٱلْغُيُوبِ

 مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلاَّ مَآ أَمَرْتَنِي بِهِ أَنِ ٱعْبُدُواْ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ وَكُنتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيداً مَّا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِي كُنتَ أَنتَ الرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَنتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ

“And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. “

The pastor says, “The phrase “you took me to Yourself” is the Arabic word tawaffa, which literally means to receive back, to take back, or to collect as in a debt. It is the most common verb in Arabic to express the idea or action of causing someone’s death and is used throughout the Qu’ran of Allah (for example, 2:258; 3:156). It’s a euphemism of sorts, not too unlike someone saying that a person “passed away” or “went home.”

What is interesting is that the Pastor is using the same argument the heretic Rashid Khalifa and his people the Ahmadis and Qadiyanis use. Their false interpretations have been exposed and dealt with by the doctors of Islam. The answer has already been given by the pastor, but of course,”Hearing they hear not, seeing they see not, neither do they understand.” The pastor has identified a very crucial linguistic fact, that is, one word may carry several different meanings. He has also identified that the word TAWAFFA is Arabic which LITERALLY means to receive back, to take back etc. However, he has argued like the Qadiyanis that in the case of TAWAFFA in 5:117, the word means the action of causing death. This argument according to him is made in light of 2:258 and 3:156 wherein the word is used to describe God causing death in people(It is the most common verb in Arabic to express the idea or action of causing someone’s death and is used throughout the Qu’ran of Allah (for example, 2:258; 3:156).) He has also tried to suggest that this is the only meaning the word carries throughout the Qur’an by saying,” It is the most common verb in Arabic to express the idea or action of causing someone’s death and is used throughout the Qu’ran of Allah (for example, 2:258; 3:156). Firstly, he makes the mistake of using those two verses where at no time is the word tawaffa mentioned(wrong citation). Perhaps he could have cited 32:11. Further more, he fails to inform readers is that the word is also used in such places where death has absolutely nothing to do with what is being said, 

“It is He Who takes you back to Himself [yatawaffaakum] at night, while knowing the things you perpetrate by day, and then wakes you up again, so that a specified term may be fulfilled.” (Surat al-An’am, 6:60)

Evidently, tawaffa is not exclusive to the issue or context of death. Tawaffa itself does NOT mean death, but rather the action of taking back. The word is Tawaffa and it comes from the root wafa. The famous and authoritative Arabic lexicon Al-Mawarid explains :

The word “waffa” means “To give someone his due in full, let someone have his full share, pay someone in full, to treat exhaustively, write or speak fully about, set forth or develop in detail, fulfillment, keeping, honoring, carrying out, living up to, redemption, making good, standing by, carrying out.” – [Al-Mawrid, Arabic-English, Page 1240.]

The word “tawaffa” means the act of “taking the self back” (either in sleep or in death as seen in the Quran). And as seen in Al Mawrid Arabic-English, pg 391: To take (receive, get, obtain) one’s due or one’s share in full.

 The third verse he cites is Surah Al-Imran, verse 54-55 :

“And [the Jews] plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God. Then Allah said: “Jesus, I am causing you to die and I will exalt you to Myself, vindicating you from the unbelievers over whom your followers will have the victory at My hands and then, at the resurrection, is the homecomong of you all. I will be the arbiter of all your disputes.”

The translation above gives the impression that God caused Jesus to die before taking him back to Himself. To analyse this, we should look at translations which have similar or same wording for the above verse and see if they are reliable or not.

 

Shakir:

And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed. – [3:55]

I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things. – [5:117]

E.H. Palmer :

When God said, ‘O Jesus! I will make Thee die and take Thee up again to me and will clear thee of those who misbelieve, and will make those who follow thee above those who misbelieve, at the day of judgment, then to me is your return. I will decide between you concerning that wherein ye disagree. – [3:55]

I never told them save what Thou didst bid me,- “Worship God, my Lord and your Lord,” and I was a witness against them so long as I was amongst them; but when Thou didst take me away to thyself Thou wert the watcher over them, for Thou art witness over all. – [5:117]

 

Rodwell :

Remember when God said, “O Jesus! Verily I will cause thee to die, and will take thee up to myself and deliver thee from those who believe not; and I will place those who follow thee above those who believe not, until the day of resurrection. Then, to me is your return, and wherein ye differ will I decide between you. – [3:55]

“I spake not to them aught but that which thou didst bid me–’Worship God, my Lord and your Lord;’ and I was a witness of their actions while I stayed among them; but since thou hast taken me to Thyself, Thou hast Thyself watched them, and Thou art witness of all things. – [5:117]

Ebrahim Saifuddin in his article on the same issue observes :

Some people who wish to portray that Jesus died use these translations to prove their point. They will quote 3:55 by these translators and then claim that everyone translates the word as “die” except for most Muslim translators. From the translations it is apparent that while the translators have translated the word “tawaffa” as “die” in 3:55, they have translated the same word as “to take away” in 5:117. This clearly shows the lack of understanding these translators have for the word “tawaffa”. Hence to say that these translators are cent percent accurate would be a lie.

E.H Palmer translates it as “cause to die” for verse 3:55 and translates it completely differently for verse 5:117 as seen above. Shakir translates it as “cause to die” for verse 5:117 and translates it completely differently for verse 3:55. Also keep in mind that “terminate the period of your stay (on earth)” does not necessarily mean death and could mean ascension from earth. This same trait is seen in Rodwell’s translation. His lack of knowledge is seen in his translations of 3:55 where he translates it as “cause to die” and then in 5:117 he translates it as “thou hast taken me to Thyself.”

 

Clearly, the translators which Pastor Thabiti have chosen to use are ill consistent with their work which naturally leads to the question of unreliability.

Let us look at a few RELIABLE translations.

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn by Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan translates :

“And mention, when God said, ‘O Jesus, I am gathering you, seizing you, and raising you to Me, away from the world without death, and I am cleansing you of, removing you far away from, those who disbelieved, and I am setting those who follow you, those Christians and Muslims who believed in your prophethood, above those who disbelieved, in you, namely, the Jews, becoming above them through [definitive] argument and the sword, until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall be your return, and I will decide between you, as to what you were at variance about, as regards religion. “(3:55)

Mufti Taqi Uthmani translates :

“When Allah said: “O ‘Īsā , I am to take you in full and to raise you towards Myself, and to cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and to place those who follow you above those who disbelieve up to the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in that over which you have differed.”

Abdullah Yusuf Ali translates :

“Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.”

Further evidence :

When the Qur’an speaks about the DEATH of PROPHETS, it usually uses the following words as is seen in the following verses :

“He Who will cause me to die (yumeetunee), then give me life.” – [26: 81]

“…when he (Joseph) died (halaka), you said: “God will never send another Messenger after him.” – [40:34]

“We did not give any human being before you immortality (khuld). And if you die (mitta), will they then be immortal?” – [21:34]

“Or were you present when death (mawt)came to Jacob?” – [2:133]

Then when We decreed that he (Solomon) should die (mawt), nothing divulged his death (mawtihi) to them except the worm that ate his staff. – [34:14]

“So naught was the answer of (Abraham’s) people except that they said: ‘Kill (uqtuloohu) him or burn him.’ But Allah did save him from the Fire. Verily in this are Signs for people who believe.” – [29:24]

 

Pastor Thabiti writes :

In these four passages, it’s possible to affirm a number of things.

1. Jesus himself said he would die (“my day of death” in 19:33).

2. Jesus affirms that his death would be “blessed,” so in whatever way he died we cannot conclude that it was “unworthy” of God’s prophets. Note that in 19:15 the same blessing is pronounced on John the baptist who was beheaded, and yet his death is blessed.

3. The Qu’ran itself teaches that Jesus actually died, not just that he was “raised up.” Sura 5:117 uses the euphemism “You took me to yourself” and Sura 3:55 distinguishes between death and being raised up — “I am causing you to die” and “I will exalt you to Myself.” Any theory of Jesus’ death can not confuse these two things.

4. The Qu’ran flatly contradicts itself. Jesus plainly claims that he would die. And in Sura 3 Allah says he is “causing Jesus to die.” But in the next chapter says “they killed him not, nor did they crucify him” and “they did not kill him… God raised him to himself.”

5. Not only does the Qu’ran contradict itself on this point, it also contradicts all the revelations before it that it claims to affirm! From Genesis 3:15 to the Messianic Psalms to all four Gospel narratives which give a disproportionate amount of space to the crucifixion events, all of biblical revelation points to the historical fact and necessity of Jesus’ death on the cross.

 

My Response :

To point number 1. Jesus himself said he would die(19:33)

As I have explained the verse is speaking of the day Jesus will die and not that Jesus had died. As Muslims we believe that Jesus like all others will taste death as Allah says, “All human beings will taste death”.

Jesus will return. One of the reasons for this besides defeating the Dajjal or Anti-Christ, destroying the cross and so on is to taste death which is a covenant ordained on all men.

“The prophets are like stepbrothers: they have different mothers but their religion is one. And I am the closest human to Jesus son of Mary, since there was no prophet between him and me. And he will descend; so when you see him, recognise him. He is a man of medium height, closer to a reddish white complexion, dressed in two light yellow garments, as if his head is dripping with water though it is not wet. And he will fight people for Islam, break the cross, kill the swine, stop the religious tribute, and God will end in his time all religions except Islam, and kill the imposter Messiah. And peace will  be put on earth, so that the lions will graze with the camels, and the tigers with the cows, and the wolves with the sheep; and children will play with snakes but the snakes will not hurt them. And Jesus will stay on earth for forty years, then he will die, and the Muslims will offer funeral prayer for him.” (Al-Silsisal Al-Sahihah [2182] and Abu Dawud [4324])

In regards to point number 2, “Jesus affirms that his death would be “blessed,” so in whatever way he died we cannot conclude that it was “unworthy” of God’s prophets. Note that in 19:15 the same blessing is pronounced on John the baptist who was beheaded, and yet his death is blessed.” The problem is, in the first place we do not believe he died and the verse used is NO PROOF for his alleged death. The death of prophets and martyrs are blessed, whoever they may be and Yahya or John a.s. was not the only Prophet in the tradition of Islam who was brutally murdered.

Point number 3 has already been fully explained and refuted.

Point number 4 overlaps with 3 and has been fully explained and debunked. The two verses used in support of Jesus alleged death has been clarified, so to say that they contradict the verse where it says Jesus was neither crucified nor killed is not just moot but also quite silly.

In regards to point number 5, “Not only does the Qu’ran contradict itself on this point, it also contradicts all the revelations before it that it claims to affirm! From Genesis 3:15 to the Messianic Psalms to all four Gospel narratives which give a disproportionate amount of space to the crucifixion events, all of biblical revelation points to the historical fact and necessity of Jesus’ death on the cross.” I would very much like to see where the Qur’an actually “claim to affirm” the Bible…it speaks of previous revelations, NOT the countless different canons and versions of the Bible Christians have in their possession. In regards to the alleged necessity of Jesus crucifixion, refer to my article “Salvation Only Comes Through Sacrifice” .

 

Pastor Thabiti continues :

When witnessing to Muslims, hold before them the certainty of Jesus death on the cross. The Qu’ran contradicts itself, but the biblical witness (which the Qu’ran affirms!) gives sure evidence that the Son of God was crucified and raised again!

Let’s ask our Muslim friends which position a reasonable man would take given the evidence:

Would a reasonable man take the eyewitness testimony of people who knew Jesus and stood by the cross… or the contradictory claims of writers 600 years after the event?

The eyewitness testimony:

Now it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two. And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last.

So when the centurion saw what had appened, he glorified God, saying, “Certainly this was a righteous Man!”

And the whole crowd who came togehter to that sight, seeing what had been done, beat their breasts and returned. but all His acquaintances, and the women who followed Him from Galilee, stood at a distance, wathcing these things. (Gospel of Luke 23:44-49)

And again:

Then he (Pilate) delivered Him to them to be crucified. Then they took Jesus and led Him away. And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center.

Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.

So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” and bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. (Gospel of John 19:16-18, 25, 30, and 35).

 

My Response :

The pastor states again that the Qur’an contradicts itself. This allegation has ALREADY been refuted in the article. The “alleged” contradiction is proven to be nothing more than pure ignorance, conjecture and misinterpretation on the pastor’s part. The pastor then continues and says,”give sure evidence that the Son of God was crucified and raised again!” Sure evidence? Let’s put this bravado”ness” to the test…If there is SURE evidence that Jesus was crucified, then the accounts about it ought to be consistent, free of conflicting reports. Yet, we see the following :

Did Jesus carry his own cross?

Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26 – Jesus gets help from Simon of Cyrene
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John 19:17 – Jesus carries his own cross the whole way

 

What did the inscription on Jesus’ cross say?

Mark 15:26 – The inscription: “The King of the Jews.”

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Matthew 27:37 – The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

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Luke 23:38 – The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”

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John 19:19 – The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”

 

Crucified between robbers??

Matthew 27:38 and Mark 15:27 say that Jesus was crucified between two robbers (Luke just calls them criminals; John simply calls them men). It is a historical fact that the Romans did not crucify robbers. Crucifixion was reserved for insurrectionists and rebellious slaves!

Massive earthquake?

Matthew 27:51-53 – When Jesus died a MASSIVE earthqauek struck and tombs opened and people who had died walked into the world again.

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Mark, Luke, John – NO EARTHQUAKE is MENTIONED AT ALL! NO INFLUX OF DEAD PEOPLE RISING FROM THE DEAD AND WALKING INTO JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED AT ALL! Why is this problematic? This is problematic because first of all such a thing sanely and logically would have been written not just by writers of the gospels but also by others as a spectacular historical event, yet everyone is silent save the author of Matthew. Secondly, if the Gospels thought it fit to relate about Jesus journeying into Jerusalem on a DONKEY, why in the world would they leave out such an amazing miraculous feat as a massive ressurection? It is highly suspect.

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2007/contradictions-on-jesus-alleged-trials-death-and-resurrection/

There are so many more clear problems with the crucifixion accounts, but I think I’ve made my point. In a court of law, a case can only be proven as true if there is NO REASONABLE doubt. I think it is safe to say that we have MORE than just reasonable doubt, thus the Jews accused of being responsible for Jesus’ alleged death should be acquitted on the count of murder, and charged with attempted murder instead. So pastor..sure evidence? I don’t think so.

The pastor concludes, “Would a reasonable man take the eyewitness testimony of people who knew Jesus and stood by the cross… or the contradictory claims of writers 600 years after the event?”

Okay..that’s a reasonable question..however, here’s a more reasonable question..who were those witnesses who saw Jesus died on the cross? May I have their exact names, their HERITAGE, their age, where they lived, where they died, what they liked to eat, their level of intelligence and memory..anything??? Nothing..so basically..the accounts which you have are by ANONYMOUS witnesses. No wonder, you have so many conflicting reports in the accounts….

In conclusion :

“and for their saying, “We have certainly killed the MasīH ‘Īsā the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah”, while in fact they did neither kill him, nor crucify him, but they were deluded by resemblance.
Those who disputed in this matter are certainly in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, but they follow whims. It is absolutely certain that they did not kill him,but Allah lifted him towards Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (Surah Al-Nisa’, 157-158)

 

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5 Responses to “Did Jesus die according to Islam?”

  1. Lex says:

    Ibn Anwar,

    You conclude your “refutation” of Pastor Thabiti’s argument that Jesus was crucified with this passage from the Qur’an:

    “and for their saying, “We have certainly killed the MasīH ‘Īsā the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah”, while in fact they did neither kill him, nor crucify him, but they were deluded by resemblance.
    Those who disputed in this matter are certainly in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, but they follow whims. It is absolutely certain that they did not kill him,but Allah lifted him towards Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.” (Surah Al-Nisa’, 157-15

    What this tells me is that your Allah is cruelly deceiving! Not only were the soldiers tricked into crucifying someone else they thought was Jesus, but so was Mary, Jesus’ mother, deceived into thinking that her son was crucified! She subsequently helped prepare the body of a stranger for burial and presumably spent the rest of her life grieving over the supposed death of her son who in truth was still alive, having been spirited away to Paradise!

    The Qur’an makes no mention that Jesus ever told his mother that he was still alive. Why didn’t he? Nor did he bother to tell the Church, which to this very day believes that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead three days later as he said he would in the Gospel record.

    Put another way, the Qur’an makes all of the Gospel writers liars, and you are content to believe this slander because it’s the only way to validate Mohammad’s “revelations” from that spirit named “Gabriel” that he conjured up one day in the caves of Mecca, a spirit that NO ONE ELSE saw or heard.

    Conclusion: Your Allah is both cruel and incompetent, at best he is a projection of Mohammad’s psychotic imagination, and at worst Mohammad was possessed by a devil disguised as “Gabriel.”

  2. Ibn Anwar says:

    Greetings,

    You said,
    “What this tells me is that your Allah is cruelly deceiving! Not only were the soldiers tricked into crucifying someone else they thought was Jesus, but so was Mary, Jesus’ mother, deceived into thinking that her son was crucified! She subsequently helped prepare the body of a stranger for burial and presumably spent the rest of her life grieving over the supposed death of her son who in truth was still alive, having been spirited away to Paradise!”

    First of all the verse itself does not mention anything about someone else getting crucified instead of Jesus. That is an interpretation based on a hadith of Ibn ‘Abbas which was authenticated by Ibn Kathir etc. It should be noted that that hadith does not actually go back to the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. It stops at Ibn ‘Abbas who is the source of the information. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that he was merely reporting an israeiliyyat narration which he had heard that mentions substitution as a means to provide an explanation to that which is not specified in the Qur’an or by the Prophet s.a.w., not that the information is grounded in absolute truth. The story does have similarities with the ones found in the Apocolypse of Peter, Acts of John and the Great Seth. Many other rejected books of Christianity may have contained such a story also, but no longer survives since many were destroyed by Orthodoxy to stamp out “heresy”. Coming back to the verse in question. Again, it does not say that someone else was put to death on behalf of Jesus. However, even if that were the case I do not see how it can possibly be a stumbling block for Muslims. God is the owner of the entire universe. He is not subject to temporal laws that we are subjected to. If he wanted to substitute someone for Jesus it would certainly have been within His prerogative as the sole Lord and Cherisher of existence. Certainly, it is no more difficult than creating the universe.
    You claim that He deceived Mary, the mother of Jesus who buried him. Well, according to who? Does the Qur’an say that? No, it does not. You said this on the presumption that your records are authentic and true. I’m sorry, but, none of the books that you have canonised in what you call the Bible is binding on me as a Muslim. In fact, the early Christians themselves did not have what you have today in your records. From your own Christian scholars we have come to know that many groups existed in the first century of Christianity with each group boasting its own gospel and books that are not accepted by other groups. Marcion was the first person to canonise scripture. What you have today was canonised first by Athanasius over 300 years after Jesus! and the Gospels that you boast as records today were first counted as legitimate and the only ones deemed necessary for doctrine was first made so by Iraenius in 180 CE! Prior to that, the books were totally anonymous with no name attached to it at all! You wish to hold anonymous books against us? Come on, be serious.

    However, despite their total anonymity, corruption and numerous changes traces of the truth can still be found and one can still use your records to disprove the crucifiCtion as nothing more than a farce.

    You said,
    “The Qur’an makes no mention that Jesus ever told his mother that he was still alive. Why didn’t he? Nor did he bother to tell the Church, which to this very day believes that Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead three days later as he said he would in the Gospel record.”

    The fact that the Qur’an mentions that Jesus was neither killed nor cruficied calls to reason that his mother was informed of the situation. It is not necessary for everything to be spelled out. The Bible only mentions one time explicitly that Jesus ate in Luke. Does that mean in his entire life he never ate? You’re arguing from silence. However, isn’t it interesting that you’re asking for somethingthat is actually found in your own book? You’re saying hat the Qur’an does not mention Jesus telling Mary that he is still alive. Guess what? Luke 24:23 testifies that Jesus was ALIVE! lol
    Then you went on to say,”he did not bother to tell the Church, which to this day believes that Jesus died on the cross”. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps that Jesus never authorised that church to begin with? By Church, do you mean the Catholic church? If so, then you must know that the Catholic Church did not exist in the first century CE lol. In fact, as I mentioned earlier numerous groups existed that did not accept the crucifixion tale and rejected the divinity of Jesus etc. It was only when Constantine favoured the version of Christianity that you belong to that the idea of the crucifixion was “established” as fact and anyone who differed would have been castrated, their churches torn down etc.

    You said,
    “Put another way, the Qur’an makes all of the Gospel writers liars, and you are content to believe this slander because it’s the only way to validate Mohammad’s “revelations” from that spirit named “Gabriel” that he conjured up one day in the caves of Mecca, a spirit that NO ONE ELSE saw or heard.”

    What Gospel writers? Can you tell me who they were? It’s amazing how you can brandish a finger at me in accusation whilst holding the Bible in the other as if it’s absolute truth when you can’t even tell me for a fact who the writers were! refer to the following article which I authored for further info: http://unveilingchristianity.w.....r-gospels/
    The authors themselves could very well have believed in what they wrote whoever they my have been. If the information that they report are proven false, by saying that they’re false one is not necessarily accusing the author of lying. It is possible that he could not have known any better and was merely following the herd. This fact can be seen clearly in the writings. Let us just have a look at a few examples:

    1. Matthew 21:7 says that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on two animals, a donkey and a colt as fulfillment of zechariah 9:9 quoted in verse 5. However, all the other Gospels say that it was only ONE animal that Jesus rode on. John explicitly says, “Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it…” There was no donkey and colt meaning two animals as Matthew 21:7 has it. In fact, if you understand Hebrew Zechariah 9:9 is not talking about two animals, but rather one namely, a donkey who is a colt and not One donkey and One colt. The author of Matthew obviously misunderstood the Hebrew text and thereafter misinterpreted it. This shows that he was not reporting from eyewitness, but rather made his own report based on a prophesy which he did not even comprehend.

    2. Jesus says according to Matthew 26:29(prior to the crucifixion),
    “I tell you, I will never again drink the product of the vine until that day when I drink it with you once again in my Father’s kingdom.”
    Yet, according to Mark 15:23 which is during the crucifixion he was given wine or oinos in Greek which is correctly understood as fermented grape juice i.e. wine. Scofield Reference Notes says,”The stupefying drink usually given to those crucified.” Was Jesus lying when he said in Matthew26:29 that he will not take the product of the vine which grape juice is whether fermented or not if indeed Matthew 26:29 is true?

    3. Jesus says concerning himself,
    “Nevertheless I must go on my way to-day and to-morrow and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.”(Luke 13:33)
    Yet, according to John,”Therefore many of the Jews read this inscription, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city(Jerusalem); and it was written in Hebrew, Latin and in Greek.”
    Did he die in Jerusalem or near Jerusalem? They can’t both be true. Near indicative of being outside. For example, if you say you are near your house, that means you are outside of it but is in close proximity to it. And what did Jesus say about himself? it is NOT POSSIBLE THAT A PROPHET die out of Jerusalem!

    As you can see the records that you have are a mess. Amazing how you invest your salvation in it : p.

    Finally, you said,
    “Conclusion: Your Allah is both cruel and incompetent, at best he is a projection of Mohammad’s psychotic imagination, and at worst Mohammad was possessed by a devil disguised as “Gabriel.” ”

    Ergo, you are saying that Allah is cruel and incompetent because in the Muslim belief he substiuted someone else for Jesus and thereafter deluded the executioners etc. If this is your standard then you have soundly disproven and discredited your own book and religion. Let us read together,
    “For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.” (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

    So, God sends a delusion to a people so strong it was so as to compell them to believe in the lie. WOW! According to your standard your God is cruel and incompetent. Do you like ebating with me now? lol

    Let us read another beautiful verse,
    “I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)

    You may want to hold the apologetic answer that the verse does not say evil, but rther calamity. The above translation is from the Dhuay-Rheims. Let’s have look at several other major versions:
    “forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.”(Darby Bible Translation)
    “I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.” (English Revised Version)
    “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”(Webstr’s Bible Translation)
    “Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'”(Young’s Literal Translation)

    Here’s the verse from the latin text Biblia Sacra Vulgata i.e. the vulgate:
    “formans lucem et creans tenebras faciens pacem et creans malum ego Dominus faciens omnia haec”

    The word there is MALUM. Look up any reliable Latin lexion and you will find the definition for that word is EVIL(though it can also mean apple lol).

    As to your brutish assessment of Muhammad s.a.w. it is nothing more than unnecessary ad hominem grounded in subjectivity. Thanks for sharing your behaviour and telling us that you do not really follow the Bible(1 Peter 3:16) ; ).

    Ibn Anwar

  3. ARMY OF JESUS IS ISLAM says:

  4. crackz says:

    Once again you prove what ALLAH (SWT) has said in the Quoran, “Falsehood cannot reach it (Quoran) from behind or…….it is protected by ALLAH”.

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