Jewish vs. Muslim view on Jesus a.s.

Jewish vs. Muslim view on Jesus a.s.

By Ibn Saad 

Edited by Ibn Anwar

I, Ibn Sa’ad, was on a Mainstream Jewish site, called “Judaism 101 and I was suprised to see what they had under the secion “What does the Talmud say about Jesus?”:

” Rambam and many other prominent Jewish scholars believed that the stories of Jesus are based on Yeshu ben Pandeira, also known as Yeshu ha-Notzri (”Jesus the Branch,” a reference to Isaiah 11:1, a passage about the messiah).”

 The position of the Talmud in the Judaeic tradition:

The Talmud is probably the most important Jewish book, even more important than the Bible, even though the Bible is older and holier. The Jewish way of doing things (halakhah) is based on the Talmud much more than on the Bible. Many of the ideas and stories of Jewish life come to us from the Talmud.”

(KOLEL: The Adult Centre for Liberal Jewish Learning)

“The Talmud was created by the Jewish people and the Talmud has, in turn, molded them as a nation.”

“… Talmud constitute the backbone of diverse Jewish knowledge..”

(Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz)

The Talmud on Jesus

“The Talmud claims that this Yeshu was the son of a Jewish woman named Miriam (Mary) who was betrothed to a carpenter (more accurately, their marriage was in the stage of kiddushin, where she is legally his wife but not yet living with him or having sexual relations with him). She was either raped or voluntarily slept with a Greek or Roman soldier known as Pandeira, and Yeshu was the product of that union. Because of the status of Miriam’s marriage, Yeshu is considered to be a mamzer (usually mistranslated as “bastard”, it means the product of an adulterous or incestuous relationship). Some say that he was also a ben-niddah (conceived through intercourse with a woman in a state of menstrual impurity, which is also said to leave a stain on the offspring). The Talmud describes Yeshu as a heretic who dabbled in sorcery and lead the people astray (into idolatry). He was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin for his crimes, and in accordance with the procedure for heretics, his dead body was hung in a tree until nightfall after his death.

Were Jesus and Yeshu the same person? Many Jewish sages in history believed so.”

(http://www.jewfaq.org/looking4.htm )

“… the Jewish Encyclopœdia admits that Jewish legends concerning Jesus are found in the Talmud and Midrash and in ” the life of Jesus ( Toledot Yeshu) that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to belittlethe person of Jesus by ascribing to Him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. “

 Jewish Encyclopædia, article on Jesus; as Cited in: Nesta H. Webster,” Secret Societies and Subversive Movements”, p. 20; Omni Publications, 1964

 The following are a couple of quotes from the Talmud :

In Schabbath, 104b :

“They, [the Elders] said to him [Eliezer]: “He(Jesus) was a fool, and no one pays attention to fools.”

book Zohar, III, (282) :

“Jesus died like a beast and was buried in that “dirt heap…where they throw the dead bodies of dogs and asses, and where the sons of Esau [the Christians] and of Ismael [the Turks], also Jesus and Mahommed, uncircumcized and unclean like dead dogs, are buried.”

The second quote has not just attacked Jesus a.s. but also Muhammad s.a.w. Nastaghfirullah!. There is no need to quote further filthy insults against God’s chosen ones. Thus far, the quotes provided are more than sufficient.

If a Christian is reading this, we would like them to contrast this with what the Qu’ran has to say about Jesus a.s.:

From Surah Maryam/Mary, Chapter 19

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And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
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And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
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She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah (SWT)-fearing.
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He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.
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She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?
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He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
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And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.
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And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!
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Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,
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And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.
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So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.
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Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
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O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.
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Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?
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He spoke: Lo! I am the slave of Allah (SWT). He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,
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And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
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And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
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Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
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Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

Some  Hadiths on Jesus a.s. :

“What a sweet living it will be after the descent of Christ! What a sweet living it will be after the descent of Christ! The sky will be permitted to rain, and the earth will be permitted to grow plants, so that even if you were to sow your seed on a solid smooth rock, it would grow. And there will be no greed and no envy and no hatred, so that one will pass by a lion and it will not hurt him, and would step on a snake and it will not harm him. There will be no greed, no envy, and no hatred.” (Sahih Al-Jami’, 3919)

“The best of the women of the world are: Mary the daughter of Imran, Khadeejah the daughter of Khuwailed, Fatimah the daughter of Muhammad, and Aasia the wife of Pharaoh.” (Sahih Al-Jami’, 3328)

“The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, called Fatimah on the day of The Opening of Mecca and spoke to her in secret, and she cried. Then he spoke to her and she smiled. Then when the Prophet died, I asked her about the reason for her cry and smile, and she said,’The Prophet s.a.w., told me that he is going to die, so I cried. Then he told me that I am the best of the wimen of paradise, except for Mary the daughter of Imran, and I smiled.’ “ ( Sahih Al-Tirmidhi, 3873)

“Whoever would be pleased to look at the humility of Jesus, should look at Abu Thar.” ( Sahih Al-Jami’, 3181)

“The one who believes in Jesus and believes in me(Muhammad) shall have two rewards.” (Sahih Bukhari, 3446)

Jesus Christ a.s. or Isa Al-Masih a.s. holds an esteemed position in Islam. Unfortunately, many Christians today such as the late Rev. Jerry Falwell are more prepared to support Jews than Muslims. They would not hesitate to insult, berate and condemn Muslims who love and respect Jesus a.s. On the other hand they would not feel ashamed or hesitate to join forces with the Jews any day of the week (Zionists in particular) who clearly bash and curse their “Lord and Master”. Isn’t it ironic?

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5 Responses to “Jewish vs. Muslim view on Jesus a.s.”

  1. deusleveult says:

    It’s always Jesus, isn’t it? Every faith on the planet mentions him, dwells on him, but so few there are who dwell IN HIM. A true Christian can only lament when other persons on this planet reject him, as the Son of God.

    “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36)

    Too many Christians, my fellow, are only born as such and call themselves Christians by family tradition and not by faith. (They say, “I’m Lutheran,” or “I’m Catholic.”) A true Christian has no “religion” (which is a man-made and tradition-bound and not based on faith but on a sense of entitlement, which is false) and a true Christian is a Christian only because he believes the Word of God (The Bible, including every word of the New Testament, or the Injil, as Muslims call it). And the Word of God says that Christ is God. There is absolutely no disputing it.

    Everybody is arguing about this or that. Faith is not debate because God is love. Therefore, Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh as He revealed Himself to man, must be understood as such, or else the bearer of that misunderstanding should perish…

    Jerry Falwell was once a Bible-believing Christian who backed off from the integrity of his youth and embraced politics. That, I believe, is what compromised his faith. I don’t know much about Islam, but many Muslims think that anyone in the West is a Christian, which just ain’t true. There are too few Christians in the world at the moment and that is why God is prepared to deliver his wrath upon us. When Christ returns, the vast majority of people on the planet will be condemned.

    “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” (John 3:19)

    Come to Jesus and be saved.

  2. Ibn Anwar says:

    Assalamu’alaikum and Greetings,
    To surmise what you said in the first paragraph,”It’s always about Jesus and all faiths speak of him. “True” Christians pity those who reject him as the Son of God.”

    I’m not sure if every single faith on earth actually speak of Jesus as part of their faith. I know a few that do e.g. Islam. Well, you can pity all you want but I and the rest of my staff do not doubt Jesus to be God’s son. This however, is open to interpretation. We Muslims would not hesitate to call Jesus as the Son of God so long as it is understood as how the Jews understand it i.e. metaphorically.

    Israel(Jacob) is my son, even my FIRSTBORN”. Exodus 4:22

    “for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my FIRSTBORN.” Jeremiah 31:9

    “Adam, which was the son of God.” Luke 3:38

    “I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me(King David), Thou art my Son; this day have I BEGOTTEN thee.” Psalms 2:7

    Just because he’s termed as “Son of God” does not make him your Lord and saviour.

    Thanks for quoting John 3:36…yes we Muslims do believe in Jesus Christ, refer to Surah Maryam.

    To surmise your second paragraph,”True Christians have no religion”. Well, you’re not the first person to admit to belong to “true” Christianity and being a “true” Christian. In regards to the term Christian itself, have a look at my article http://unveilingchristianity.w.....christian/ .
    I am not really interested in your metaphysical, escathological philosophies. I’m interested in hard tangible evidence. Claims can be made by anyone. The Bible after all says,”Prove all things..” You said,”A true Christian is one who believes in the Word of God(The Bible, including every word of the New Testament, or the injil as the Muslim call it). The Bible is God’s word? Well, last I checked according to Biblical scholars who are Christians, the Bible is a collection of the words of men INSPIRED by God and not exactly the ad verbatim words of God himself. Second of all, which Bible do you mean as “The Bible” ? Every word in “The Bible” is God’s word? You mean in all of the hundreds of English versions of the Bible or just one particular Bible which you refer to? Thirdly, Muslims do not call the New Testament as the “Injil”. In the Arabic Bibles, the New Testament is called Kitab Al-Jadid NOT Injil..so we call it that. The Injil is the revelation given to Jesus Christ a.s. and not The Gospel According to this person and that person, not the letters of Paul, not Acts, not Revelatuon..nothing of the kind.

    To surmise your third paragraph,”God is love and Jesus was God in flesh”. Love is something abstract and is used rather loosely. Inane murderers and rapists claim LOVE for their art. Is that God? Love is a word and an emotion..God is certainly neither. He loves but isn’t the feeling of love itself. Try to get it straight. In regards to your claim that Jesus was God in flesh..please show me where he Jesus made such a claim? I’m in the process of writing an article on “Why is Jesus God?”. Insha’Allah, it will be completed by the end of this week. Thorough elaboration on this will be presented in the article. In the mean time, I suggest you ponder on the first and most important commandment of all.

    Tosurmise your fourth paragraph,” Muslims think that anyone in the West is Christian”. This statement truly shows how very little you know. We know very well that the West consists not only Christians, but millions of Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, New Agers e.g. Wiccans etc. etc. We’re not as uninformed as you mister.
    You said,”When Christ returns the vast majority of the people on the planet will be condemned.” I would add Christians to the equation for Jesus says in Matthew,”On that day, many shall come unto me and call me Lord Lord, did we not prophsy in thy name, cast out devils in thy name and did many mighty word in thy name? Then shall I profess unto them,”I never knew you, DEPART from me ye people of iniquity.” This is what’s gonna happen to ones like you. So be prepared.

    We are with Jesus and insha’Allah we shall be saved.

    Ibn Anwar

  3. deusleveult says:

    No, sir, the Bible is God’s Holy Word. Divinely inspired means that it is God-breathed.

    “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” (Mt 22:29)

    To “know” is to understand deeply, in context and in light. “These things have I written unto you that… you may KNOW that ye have eternal life…” (1John 5:13)

    Forgive me if anything I said has offended you, and thank you for the dialog.

    • ARMY OF JESUS IS ISLAM says:

      I would like to further illustrate some points for (Deusleveult)the christian, since his Church farthers mislead him thinking the Bible is the inspired word of God.

      Please open your Bible to”
      2 Timothy 4:13 (New International Version)

      under sub title”: Personal Remarks

      9Do your best to come to me quickly, 10for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. 11Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry. 12I sent Tychicus to Ephesus.

      13When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.

      14Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done. 15You too should be on your guard against him, because he strongly opposed our message.

      16At my first defense, no one came to my support, but everyone deserted me. May it not be held against them. 17But the Lord stood at my side and gave me strength, so that through me the message might be fully proclaimed and all the Gentiles might hear it. And I was delivered from the lion’s mouth. 18The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

      As you can clearly see this is a personal letter written by Paul giving out instuctions to other companions. The Only way it will make sense that the Bible is the Word of God is if we claim that PAUL himself is God.

  4. Ibn Anwar says:

    Assalamu’alaikum and Greetings,

    You said,” No, sir, the Bible is God’s Holy Word. Divinely inspired means that it is God-breathed.” You have merely reiterated what you said in your initial post while substituting it with new terms and words. As I mentioned in my response, if “The Bible” PER SE is God’s “Holy Word”, then which Bible is it and in which language?

    Every Christian I meet claims “understanding”, yet I hardly meet two who would give a straight answer. Each claim to be filled and inspired by the “Holy Spirit”, yet each diverge from one another. Whom shall I believe? Let’s just deal with scripture shall we? Check out http://unveilingchristianity.w.....corrupted/

    There’s nothing to forgive. You have not offended me in any way, shape or form. Thanks for the comments.

    Ibn Anwar

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